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Gobble-gobble.
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ReplyDeleteAlmost a 4 day weekend, yea.
So is it true what I hear about the Local paper wrapping the USA today Monday trough Friday? Then the normal paper on weekend and holidays?
Take care everyone and have a nice holiday...
BLM
Remember, it was the union movement that's responsible for the weekend.
ReplyDeleteIt's time to organize.
Call the Guild, the Teamsters, they're there for you.
And, send Jim five bucks. Say thanks to him on Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Don't mourn, ORGANIZE!!!!
maybe i missed it, but I've never heard a good explanation here - or anywhere else - why the Det. Free Press is the only paper besides USAT to be in the USAT division of Gannett.
ReplyDeleteconspiracy theory: Lansing went down to 7 news-side reporters, according ot someone on this blog. gannett will test the wrap-usatoday-around-the-local paper model in Michigan on a statwide model to see whether it could work on a national model. that's why Detroit and Usa today are in a seperate division?
The unions served their purpose and all American workers owe them. But they went too far and put the auto industry-along with management- in the situation they are in today. Unions deal in price fixing of labor. We do not allow price fixing of product price.
ReplyDelete4 day weekend? You must work in advertising or be upper management.
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For those asking about exact date for layoffs, indications at my paper from top newsroom (information center) management were that the exact date of Dec. 3 and more generalized timing of first week in December have been discussed but are not dates certain. Names on The List were still being vetted, plans had to be made, logistics may preclude all layoffs happening across the newspaper's divisions in one day. So they didn't want to be any more specific than early December, which is almost here. They did promise dismissals with dignity, vs., say, immediate escort by security guards off the premises.
ReplyDeleteOne observation: More people, including this poster, are expressing more certainty that their names are on The List.
I think this passage is particularly timely for those of us worried about being laid-off. May it ease your troubled minds:
ReplyDeleteNor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?
Better said:
ReplyDelete"On the other hand, we denounce with righteous indignation and dislike men who are so beguiled and demoralized by the charms of pleasure of the moment, so blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee the pain and trouble that are bound to ensue; and equal blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil and pain. These cases are perfectly simple and easy to distinguish. In a free hour, when our power of choice is untrammelled and when nothing prevents our being able to do what we like best, every pleasure is to be welcomed and every pain avoided. But in certain circumstances and owing to the claims of duty or the obligations of business it will frequently occur that pleasures have to be repudiated and annoyances accepted. The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains."
11:57 pm: I know you're fixated on the auto business. Unfortunately you're heaping all the blame on the UAW, wich isn't justified.
ReplyDeleteIn the newspaper industry, the Guild has been a force in providing a voice for editorial, advertising, the business office, circulation, maintenance, etc, to secure a five-day work week, vacations, good wages and benefits.
Organized workers can stand up together in strength.
Remember, United we stand, Divided we fall.
GM is not failing purely because of unions. The primary reason is that it has long manufactured cars that are not as appealing as those of its comptitors.
ReplyDeleteWhat's more the quality -- in most cases -- is not as good. The union may demand high wages, but it does not demand that GM make a subpar product. The union also did not demand that GM make more and larger SUVs when it was obvious that gas prices would become an increasing problem.
In other words: The unions didn't help, but poor management and a lack of foresight are what really drug the company down.
Sound familiar?
As to when the layoffs occur, it could be anytime next week, or later.
ReplyDeleteThere has to be a h.r. person present at each notification to answer questions. If your group has five h.r. people covering six or more papers across your state, it will probably be logistically impossible to talk to 10% of the staff in only one day.
Even getting through 10% at large sites like Des Moines or Indy will probably be tough to do in one day.
I do not envy the h.r. folks this next week. They have the most thankless job in the building.
Being that NJ is a small state, I suspect our layoffs will occur in one day. Our HR manager's mercedes looks to be in good enough condition to get to the THREE papers that she oversees. So watch out!
ReplyDeletePersonally I don't agree with newspaper unions either. Unions may have served their purpose in 1950, but they are just shooting themselves in the foot now. Anyone remember the never-ending Detroit strike? Pressmen demanding $30 an hour and full-days' salary for only 4 hours of work? Auto workers who demand $75 an hour, 38-hour work weeks, 12 weeks of vacation and benefits for life, and then wonder why jobs are being shipped off to China? Airline pilots who demand $200,000 and wonder why their airline is belly-up? Please. The day of the union has come and gone. Besides, being a journalist and a union member is a conflict of interest, especially for reporters covering business, labor, strikes, unions, etc. We're not plumbers or truck drives. We're journalists.
ReplyDeleteAm I right?
ReplyDeleteWe're quoting Cicero here?
Terrific.
Journalists have such marvelous minds.
4 day weekend? count your blessings. I get one day off, back to work for two days and then my weekend (which is Sunday/Monday). In all my time at Gannett (20 yrs) and as a journalist (26yrs) I have never had a 4 day weekend. And I can count my 3 day weekends on one hand. Funny thing is, I'll miss the job when they push my sorry butt out the door next week.
ReplyDeleteSomebody asked last night why the people in Wisconsin, particularly Appleton aren't showing up on the blog.
ReplyDeletePost-Crescent readers are here, but honestly, we have work to do. I'm not in the newsroom, but let me tell you what I see them doing... just as an example.
Monday, they had an editorial board meeting with the Governor run live on our website with Mogulus. Last night we covered the annual nighttime Christmas parade, which brings 80,000 people downtown - (Appleton's population is about 72,000) - also with a video component. The newsroom-led initiative "Stock the Shelves" (ending Sunday) has raised $55,000 on a goal of $50,000 to support 17 local food pantries. They're also working to reconfigure sections to cut early pressruns with the least impact on readers.
That's just the newsroom, and that's just this week. We also are home to our group's circulation leadership, majors advertising, online initiatives, human resources, information technology and finance departments. Everyone is doing their best, just like the newsroom.
I look around, and I see some of the most experienced, most caring, most knowledgeable people I have ever worked with. The youngsters have fire for their jobs, and more-senior staff people mentor them on how to best reach objectives. Sure, we have slackers, pissers and moaners - but they're far outnumbered.
It breaks your heart knowing that many of these people won't be here in two weeks, through no fault of their own. While our market isn't the worst in the company, jobs are thin here too.
So, here's my thank you to the people I work with in Appleton... and by extension, the people I work with in Green Bay, Manitowoc, Sheboygan, Fond du Lac, Oshkosh, Wausau, Wisconsin Rapids, Marshfield and Stevens Point.
Thanks for your hard work, and your friendship.
You hate unions? Say goodbye to the middle class. Right now, the bulk of salaries is moving more and more toward the top. Higher high salaries and lower low salaries. For every Craig Debow to keep his job, 10 percent of the workforce has to lose their jobs. I don't know if unions are the right answer now, but we have to find the right answer somehow. In our case, the question isn't whether community papers are profitable. We are. We make enough dough to support ourselves and send some back to Gannett. The question is whether each paper can fork over enough money to corporate every year to justify their million plus salaries.
ReplyDeleteRe: Phil Currie as the god of journalism. Nuts.
ReplyDeleteBlue Collar here --- I don't agree with unions either. I do want management to not shovel bullshit and that bogus "Exempt Manager for Non-Exempt Hourly" arguement they make when it comes to unpaid overtime.
ReplyDeleteAll I want is to be paid for the hard work I do. You lay me off, pay me an extra 2-Weeks/Per-Year for all the unpaid extra -irreplaceable- time is was (informally coerced) into working. And we're not talking a "Couple of Hours Per Month." You keep me on AND DEMAND MORE WORK ---You F*cking Pay Me...."It's not personal, ....It's just business." (Michael -to- Sonny, The Godfather),
Follow the God-Damn Employee Manual you guys wrote!!
Left Gannett after almost 20 years earlier this year for a job in the private sector.
ReplyDeleteI have to work a half-day today and then I'm off until Monday.
A 4.5-day weekend!
For all of you immersed in the USA Today online vs. print debate, please read the comment in an earlier post titled "Meeting notes." The comment is near the end and starts in all caps, "FOR THE LAST TIME..." It makes some excellent points about why there needs to be a core group of print people, and helps extinguish the myth that print people are somehow stubborn or behind the digital times.
ReplyDeleteIn a nutshell, it says that as print newsroom jobs have been cut, the print responsibilites of those remaining have grown, leaving them little time to get involved with the web site. It points out that the nature of the newspaper demands that many jobs be 100 percent focused on getting the paper out. And while those people would enjoy doing more online work, the simple reality is that specifics are their jobs don't permit enough time to do so. It also points out that if not for that core group putting out the paper, staffers who now work exclusively for the web site would have to contribute more to the paper. So there should be mutual respect and appreciation. There should be a greater understand that complete convergence is nearly impossible because of the specific demands of certain jobs on certain platforms.
I applaud the author for bringing to light what should have been obvious to all USAT architects of the merger who were making these pie-in-the-sky assumptions, and indirectly fueling the hostilities between prints and the web site staffers.
When we get to the point where we admit that some jobs just can't crossover, but are highly valued for whatever platform they are on, you will see anxiety levels subside.
One of those thunderbolts upside the heads moments: Last year, as I was leaving my out-of state family on Thankgiving day to travel back so I could work for Gannett on Friday, my 80-year-old aunt said, "You mean after 30 years they still can't give you the day off after Thanksgiving?"
ReplyDeleteTook the buyout a few months later...
6:44am said "...We're not plumbers or truck drives. We're journalists."
ReplyDeleteGannett has been sticking it to it's blue collar workers for years. Now Gannett is coming for you. Get off your high-horse. It's not unions bleeding this company dry, it's the corporation that is sucking the lifeblood from these newspapers. Gannett's elite are trying to save themselves along with their gravytrain by telling us that "we" aren't profitable enough. Bull!
For those who are about to leave the newspaper business, voluntarily or otherwise, let me forewarn you that, for the few few years at least, holidays might be a tad melancholy.
ReplyDeleteSince I left newsrooms, I've felt a little -- just a little -- pang of guilt enjoying Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., at home with my family when I know that my journalist friends are at the office working.
I wouldn't go back to GCI for anything, but you never really escape being a journalist.
Lots of reporters in my neck of the woods took Friday as a vacation day, so yeah, they're getting a four-day weekend. Not that hard to do if you have seniority and get your requests in early enough. It also helps if you cover a beat where sources are going to be taking the day off, too (such as courts/city hall, etc.).
ReplyDeleteThe copy desk, on the other hand, still busts their behinds, no matter what. It's only the handfull of really senior grunts there who are able to get off.
Our publisher stood up in from of all the employees and announched that our newspaper made around $2 million in PROFITS each month this year.
ReplyDeleteAnd we still have to layoff people.
That's because corporate has to answer to investors not the community the newspapers serve.
$2 million in profits each month and workers get laid off. It's pretty obvious who is ruining this business.
to 7:08 AM
ReplyDeleteBe assured there are other Wisconsin current and former Gannetteers lurking about here. Those who are concerned with next weeks axe over their heads, and others who's jobs were "ended" early in far less than dignified manners.
Hey...what ever it takes to keep the number of bodies lost looking prettier to the Board members and stock holders, right? More
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
So mr Blue Collar says he is against unions and then goes on a rant about his unpaid overtime.
ReplyDeleteI guess stupid is as stupid does.
Signed,
Proud union member who gets paid for every hour I work
No such thing as a four-day weekend in Advertising.
ReplyDeleteAs it is, our Grinch probably won't let us go even 30 minutes early today.
Bah.
No such thing as a four-day weekend in advertising??????
ReplyDeleteWhat ad department do YOU work in? Most ad department barely put in 40 hours ... and besides...
Just look in your parking lot to see what employees really make the money at your newspaper. It is the ad reps. Look at their new cars ... look at your 20 year old Yugo.
And YOU come in and work holidays and weekends... and cover wrecks at 3 a.m.???
This week alone, Gannett posted 17 US publishing jobs, one for corporate and five for USAT.
ReplyDeleteAttention: Redesign coming. Yuri Victor, design whiz from Purdue U. just hired by corporate to head up redesign of GCI papers. Victor says he can save money, increase profits and reduce costs through smart redesign of newspapers, but not cuts.
ReplyDeleteI bet this means that a drastic reduction in the size of newspapers is now in the cards for next year.
I know many here are worried about losing their situations, I am too a little. However, what I do not understand is why so many of you are letting it tear you up so much. I have a mortgage and people that depend on me but other than making home life miserable and having all that extra stomach acid eat the enamel off of my teeth...what good would it do.
ReplyDeleteIf I am one of the unlucky ones in the coming weeks, I plan on leaving with my composure and my pride. I know I have done an excellent job in the last 20 years or so, and I will miss it deeply. I will walk out the door with all of the knowledge and experience intact and in my head, but I will not be bitter.
My Gannett paycheck every 2 weeks has provided me with a good life, not lavish, but comfortable. If fate says it my time to move on then so be it. The first thing I plan on doing is getting my cell phone number changed; I already have my few personal items removed as a precaution. Then I am going to go lose myself at a good movie, confident in the fact that I will be able to enjoy the entire flick without interruption, jumbo popcorn and cherry icee of course.
Then I will, with great cordiality, clean all of the work related crap from my computer at home, relishing in the pure pleasure of every file I discard. The I am going to relax for a week or two, take a few relaxing walks with the dog, go see some friends that I never have time for and clear my mind.
Then I will start looking for a position that will, once again, give me pleasure in my work. I will not be a vengeful or angry, when one door closes, others open.
I am bothered still by a poster's comments yesterday or the day before. Someone talked about his/her slacker coworkers, acting as if they don't have to fight for their jobs. He/she said that they talk about tv shows from the night before, schedule doctor appointments during work hours, etc., etc. This really upset me, and I feel the need to respond. First of all, I talk to my coworkers about mundane, personal stuff, too. I am so upset about potential layoffs (of myself and my friends/colleagues) that I feel I have to try to focus on other things. Second, what doctors will see you during NON work hours? Come on, that's not a fair thing to say. At least give us credit for using our health insurance while we still have it. Finally, don't purport to know about my (or others') work ethic. I take my laptop home every night, respond to emails and do work after I eat dinner with my family. There is no way this is on record, and there is no way that anyone would (or should) know about it. Just because you think I/we are slacking, doesn't mean we are. I suggest you mind your business, and not assume everyone else is slacking off just because you're not. If it affects you (e.g. my talking is too loud for you, or I'm not covering a project because I'm at the doctor), please speak up. Otherwise, please don't be so negative.
ReplyDeleteHappy Thanksgiving to all my Gannett brothers out there.
To those urging others to organize:
ReplyDeleteHave you ever tried it?
We did, at Wilmington, and our multiyear effort was brutally crushed.
They lengthened our work week with no compensation, going to great lengths to assure us that there was no connection between that action and our affiliation with the Guild. Funny how they rescinded the lengthened week when we decertified.
They also refused to allow us to join the 401(k) plan, reserving it for management and those not involved in the bargaining effort. They let us participate once we decertified.
Their lawyers were better than ours. They have more money than we did. The Guild was toothless, and we lost.
You want to organize?
Good f'ing luck.
Regarding USAT as a wrap for community papers, kindly remember the idea was part of the USAT contingency planning in 1982, built in should USAT as a national paper fail. I'd been gone from Mother G for eight years at that point.
ReplyDeleteHas the star of the department ever wanted to organize?
ReplyDeleteNo. The people who want to organize white collar workers are the ones who need the protection of seniority.
The best and brightest can always write their own ticket or go somewhere else. The mediocre want representation.
If your union local leadership is made up of the best of the mediocre, it's no wonder you don't get what you want. But when you put your leadership up against people who know what they are doing, you're going to lose. The CWA, the Guild nationally just won't work for shops with fewer than 100 members. But they will take the dues.
Signed, a former union member and superstar. (No modesty here, boys.)
Notice the blog volume is low as most people are scared of corporate spying of our computers. this blog is dying.
ReplyDeleteBlog traffic is down a bit because it's a holiday week: Many employees (outside the newsroom) are working a half-day today, and will have Friday off entirely.
ReplyDelete1:17, get back to the Information Center, the viewers are missing their fill of two line news updates.
ReplyDeleteJim, ignore 1:17. That's someone desperately wishing you'd go away so he can go back to wreaking havoc on people's lives without the glare of the blog all over his ass.
ReplyDeleteMaybe some GCI employees have decided to have a Gannett Blog-free Thanksgiving weekend.
ReplyDeleteNo offense, Jim (we love ya!), but it may be the sane thing to do for some people now.
http://www.chrisbrogan.com/dont-count-out-big-media-yet/
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chrisbrogan.com/should-every-outward-facing-employee-have-a-web-presence/
ReplyDelete@11:18:
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I'm not a sales rep and I put in 40+ hours for my piddily pay.
And no, I don't get OT either. Just told it has to be made up some other day.
I'm in the same boat as you. Not to worry.
And I don't drive a fancy car either. Wish I did. Maybe I'd feel accomplished then.
http://scobleizer.com/2008/11/26/social-network-advertising-not-your-fathers-banner-ad/
ReplyDelete11:49------
ReplyDeleteI couldn't have said it better myself. It's like you were reading my mind. I agree that it will suck and be a bad thing, but this company is NOT my life.
Watching the Times struggle (and what you can learn)
ReplyDeletehttp://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/11/watching-the-ti.html
For those laid off, here's a great suggestion: get laid:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/fashion/23love.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&sq=buyout%20sex&st=cse&scp=1&oref=slogin
"Just doing my job" by Seth Godin
ReplyDeleteWhat a bogus excuse.
If you take a job, you've bought into what the company does. You're responsible.
If you work for a company headed off a cliff, hey, you're going too. The fact that you're just doing your job doesn't make unemployment any better. And if the company is hurting people or the world you operate in, it doesn't matter who told you to do it, you still did it.
It's not just your job. It's a big part of your life. And you're way smarter than you're giving yourself credit for. Speak up, change things or get out. Whining later is a low-return strategy.
Sorry for the rant. Been getting a lot of email this week from people explaining why they work for companies doing dumb things.
Just had a moment of panic here.
ReplyDeleteBreathe. Breathe.
Will I be laid off?
I don't know.
But this is just too stressful.
WHY OH WHY THE MONTH-LONG WAIT!
To 9;47 - it's called a vacation day. Schedule early and get a 4-day weekend. Schedule even earlier and take the whole week off. Just stop bitching!!
ReplyDeleteTo union hopefulls - if you think the unions didn't have a big role in the automotive industry crash, look again. $70,000/year line workers and janitors, fully paid medical, even after you retire, a Jobs Bank so you get paid for not working. Every one of these things add to the price of a car. Sure, GM also has problems like their products but the time for unions is long gone.
Move on. I've never needed a union and wouldn't join one for the world! If I don't like where I work I find another job, simple as that. All my focus would be in finding a new job rather than bitching about the one I have, which is just a waste of time.
3:50 PM
ReplyDeleteHow much of your tax money goes to pay union represented teachers? Do you feel so strongly about unions that you'd fight to get that changed? It's within your power and right, unlike is the case with the auto industry right now.
I don't get why people equate unions with the auto industry exclusively instead of education which they pay for. Doesn't make sense to me.
Also, I was anti-union until I worked for Gannett. Gannett workers, I think, need and deserve union representation.
"Signed,
ReplyDeleteProud union member who gets paid for every hour I work"
Too bad you don't worked for every hour you get paid - lazy bastards.
3:03 Loved the buyout sex saga.
ReplyDeleteAs I read this Union vs Anti Union debate I am curious what is really the point. Is it the management/leadership of a particular Union or is it the idea of collective bargaining?
ReplyDeleteAs a journalist I am interested in covering/reporting news. That product (though I hate to call it such a generic term) is the product Gannett sells and continues to be the guts of the news industry that remains profitable.
Several years my colleagues and I formed a collective bargaining group. The unpaid overtime/renigged vacations simply became too much. We simply needed work rules so we no longer had to go one-on-one with the management.
Frankly it has allowed us to concentrate on content rather than being overwhelmed with the office issues.
Productivity is higher.
Guess if we were an ESOP I might feel different in as much as sacrifices in certain areas would result in greater income in others.
But Gannett is Gannett and though really pressed in today's economy (we had 5% pay cut in lieu of lay offs) I feel better in the CBA.
To 3:50, yeah um right, vacation days. But the place got so disorganized that it would be - oh please, everyone signed up for the day after T-day, everyone can't take off, can't you please fill in. please please please??
ReplyDeleteYep I was a sap. But no longer.
RE: About This Blog "Dying" (1:17 PM)
ReplyDeleteI work out in the field (sub station) and never go to the main office except when absolutely necessary. The only info I get from downtown comes via computer or phone. I like it that way.
This also means that I usually have no idea what is really going on with the big wigs, the news room, etc...
Over the past year since I have been reading this blog I have "called" certain events with good accuracy, so much so that the "big wigs" have inquired about the source of my knowledge on several occasions. I have been open about where I get my info: This and a couple other net sources, but mainly here.
Now the upper parts of the food chain call me to see what may be coming down the pike... And I'm about as low on the totem pole as can be found and still be called an employee.
Long story short; the blog ain't dying. The "big wigs" even ask what is being said here to decide what to do.
I'll go along with Seth Godin's argument, up to a point. That's the point where I'm responsible for the failure of the entire company. I bust my behind 40+ hours a week covering my own beat and offering story ideas for others. I have made suggestions for expanding into new niches and for cutting costs, all of which have been ignored. I have held up my end of the bargain in good faith. My employer has not. Screw them. I just wish it wasn't screwing us.
ReplyDelete@6:00 - Take his advice to heart go the whole way.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone out there heard of any of the "volunteers" being notified if they were accepted or not???? Rumors are flying that some have been told already. If anyone knows if this is true PLEASE speak up!!! I'd like to know already!!!
ReplyDelete6:38: are you talking about USAT? I'm curious too.
ReplyDeleteTo All Fellow Gannettiods,
ReplyDeleteHave a good holiday and I hope to see you on the other side.
Happy Thanksgiving! And Good Luck!
And to those who don't make it to the other side, remember - You didn't fail the company, the company had failed you!
God Bless All. Again - Happy Thanksgiving and Good Luck!
DangerMan
To 4:07 - the teachers in Michigan get their medical paid in full. I know someone I work with that brags about it saying he'd never take our work coverage. My tax dollars pay for this insurance coverage for a union teacher employee. That bites since I also have to pay for my own insurance coverage.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like working for Gannett leave, but don't get me involved in a union. Michigan isn't a right-to-work state so I'd be screwed and you could screw off!
Anon@2:53: That reminds me of a sign a former GCI colleague had posted in the office--
ReplyDeleteIJAJANMFL
I finally had to ask what it meant.
"It's just a job and not my f'ing life."
Lede headline in the Morris County (N.J.) Daily Record on the Newseum site this morning. Looked like 48 or 50 point:
ReplyDeleteJury hears grizzly
details of killing
(unfortunately, it was not death by bear)
Hope it was caught early in the run!
12:09 am
ReplyDeleteWhat's your point?
6:38 pm
ReplyDeleteThose that volunteered at my NJ Site were approved but no word on WHEN their last day will be. I suspect that they will be dismissed on an individual basis.
7:01 a.m.:
ReplyDeleteI know it's early in the morning,
but I hope you are not an eddytor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzZZeOLgW4o
11:49--right on!
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