which site will be the next to change to the 3 around press format like Columbus is printing for Cincinnati? could it be Phoenix ? don't be surprised !
Please explain for the newsroom folks what a 3-around press format is. Wouldn't that also mean that the Republic would go to the compact format (more like a tabloid) from the current broadsheet? What are the advantages in terms of cost or speed of the press run?
the berliner format used by some is similar to a tall Tab, but with only one section. the 3 around, provides a shorter cut off similar to a Tab, but still allows for sections. the shorter size saves newsprint, the speed of the press is increased by production 3 paper per revolution vs the stardard 2 per revolution in a straight press mode. so few presses are need, so fewer pressmen are needed.
Too 12:28 Your wrong again, The berliner press can print broadsheet and tabs and have as many section as your press is capable off printing, depending on the size and configuration of the press..nice try, but you don't have a clue
Papers using three-around printing can keep their broadsheet-oriented formats and retain sectioning.
By exploiting the higher output generated by 3V, The Dispatch, in straight mode production, will also be able to realize a 50 percent boost in press productivity or, in collect mode, a 50 percent increase in color output, said Jim Gore, Pressline's vice president and general manager.
Meantime, the shorter cutoff will result in up to a 33 percent reduction in newsprint consumption for The Dispatch.
What that means in lay mans terms if the press speed was rated to print 50k papers an hour, it will now be able and the word able( is doubtful) to print 90k papers per hour. This will never happen, the press will not be able to handle that speed and the pressman will not run at that speed period
Nope! The 'speed' of the press will not change. If your press currently runs 50,000 papers per hour (straight mode) you will produce 75,000 pph. Each revolution will print 3 papers instead of 2.
11:39 here. Currently our presses print 2-around.2 plates on a cylinder. 2 papers are printed in 1 revolution of press. The 3-around gives you 3 shorter papers in the same revolution. 1 printing plate with 3 shorter pages. So the 'facts' are you increase production by half, no matter the press speed.
A couple of things to remember; the folder and every thing downstream also has to be modified. If the stackers can take 50KPH with the old configuration, they will not magically be able to take 75KPH with the new press configuration. The inserters will have to be modified again because most of them were built to use a 21 in. cut-off. Newspaper stackers were mostly built to take a 12 in or wider paper. They had to be jerry rigged to accept the 11 in paper that Gannett puts out now and will have to be replaced or seriously modified to accept an 8 or 9 in. wide product. A collect run will have sections in multiples of 3 instead of 2. So, it would take more careful configuration of sections.
Given the same inputs of feet of paper per second and amperage to run the press at speed, how will the number of papers coming out of the folder not increase by 50%? If you say that, show us how.
I would have thought that your contract with Craig to come here and yell "NO IT AIN"T!" at $5.00 a pop would have expired by now
Basically it comes down to the new folders and 3 a round cylinders, I believe the the folder is a 5:3;2 jaw folder. So if the speed of the press is 50 k per hour, it will double the output by 50%. Hence if the press is running at 50,0000 impressions per hour it will produce double the amount off papers, as I have been told the folder are rated at 90,000 papers per hour. It all comes down to what type of folder configuration is. As far as the mailroom is concerned they have modified all the equipment to handle that speed and require smaller bundle sizes. We can talk about this all you want, just go to the Pressline Services website and they will give you all the details
Zzzz, oh the press experts are having a factual tussle, and it is oh so very... zzzz. Uh sorry, but this kind of twaddle is exactly why you lost your role, Mamoo. And the dorks who are in there with arms a flailing... get a life, newspaper printing in the USA is on the outs no matter what you think.
Looks like newspapers aren't the only Gannett holdings to suffer job cuts. Obviously, fashion coordinators (and common sense) are out at TV stations. It must be a real struggle to keep the weather talent from wearing green . . .
Lafayette,Indiana has the first Berliner in the US. Can run 4 sections, due to limited press configuration. As well as Tabs. Top speed 60k papers per hour.
Corrections come through and basically they stand behind the article with one correction, Gannett Company instead of Gannett Corp. See Facebook comments below blog post.
There are links on Romenesko and elsewhere on this blog to this dust-up. Don't know of anyone who ever worked under that strongarm dictator of an editor who is anything other than unhappy.
My favorite. "Gabordi has the distinction of being the first and only person who has ever trashed the competence or character of Kleindienst, Dunkelberger and Post, who have together served Florida readers well for well over a century. An apology would be in order, but nobody is holding his or her breath."
Grapevine has it that Phoenix will be going to the 3 around folder on 2 of the 4 colorliners. People from Phoenix have visited Columbus and budget has been summitted. This is one of Dale C. big need to have items. Hence going after the pressmans manning!
It will cost millions, and millions to buy the contracts of the pressman out..same as Cincy. Is it worth it in the long run. Cincy Press's were over 30 years old, not the case in Phoenix
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which site will be the next to change to the 3 around press format like Columbus is printing for Cincinnati? could it be Phoenix ? don't be surprised !
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ReplyDeletePlease explain for the newsroom folks what a 3-around press format is. Wouldn't that also mean that the Republic would go to the compact format (more like a tabloid) from the current broadsheet? What are the advantages in terms of cost or speed of the press run?
ReplyDeletethe berliner format used by some is similar to a tall Tab, but with only one section. the 3 around, provides a shorter cut off similar to a Tab, but still allows for sections. the shorter size saves newsprint, the speed of the press is increased by production 3 paper per revolution vs the stardard 2 per revolution in a straight press mode. so few presses are need, so fewer pressmen are needed.
DeleteReally? How does it reduce the number of presses?
DeleteToo 12:28 Your wrong again, The berliner press can print broadsheet and tabs and have as many section as your press is capable off printing, depending on the size and configuration of the press..nice try, but you don't have a clue
DeletePapers using three-around printing can keep their broadsheet-oriented formats and retain sectioning.
ReplyDeleteBy exploiting the higher output generated by 3V, The Dispatch, in straight mode production, will also be able to realize a 50 percent boost in press productivity or, in collect mode, a 50 percent increase in color output, said Jim Gore, Pressline's vice president and general manager.
Meantime, the shorter cutoff will result in up to a 33 percent reduction in newsprint consumption for The Dispatch.
http://www.newsandtech.com/dateline/article_37a8937c-c856-11e0-abff-001cc4c03286.html
What that means in lay mans terms if the press speed was rated to print 50k papers an hour, it will now be able and the word able( is doubtful) to print 90k papers per hour. This will never happen, the press will not be able to handle that speed and the pressman will not run at that speed period
DeleteNope! The 'speed' of the press will not change. If your press currently runs 50,000 papers per hour (straight mode) you will produce 75,000 pph. Each revolution will print 3 papers instead of 2.
DeleteYou don't have a clue 11:39. You are dead wrong, check the facts
Delete11:39 here. Currently our presses print 2-around.2 plates on a cylinder. 2 papers are printed in 1 revolution of press.
DeleteThe 3-around gives you 3 shorter papers in the same revolution. 1 printing plate with 3 shorter pages. So the 'facts' are you increase production by half, no matter the press speed.
11:39 is dead on.
DeleteA couple of things to remember; the folder and every thing downstream also has to be modified. If the stackers can take 50KPH with the old configuration, they will not magically be able to take 75KPH with the new press configuration. The inserters will have to be modified again because most of them were built to use a 21 in. cut-off. Newspaper stackers were mostly built to take a 12 in or wider paper. They had to be jerry rigged to accept the 11 in paper that Gannett puts out now and will have to be replaced or seriously modified to accept an 8 or 9 in. wide product. A collect run will have sections in multiples of 3 instead of 2. So, it would take more careful configuration of sections.
One must watch for unintended consequences.
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DeleteEnlighten us 4:26.
DeleteGiven the same inputs of feet of paper per second and amperage to run the press at speed, how will the number of papers coming out of the folder not increase by 50%? If you say that, show us how.
I would have thought that your contract with Craig to come here and yell "NO IT AIN"T!" at $5.00 a pop would have expired by now
Basically it comes down to the new folders and 3 a round cylinders, I believe the the folder is a 5:3;2 jaw folder. So if the speed of the press is 50 k per hour, it will double the output by 50%. Hence if the press is running at 50,0000 impressions per hour it will produce double the amount off papers, as I have been told the folder are rated at 90,000 papers per hour. It all comes down to what type of folder configuration is. As far as the mailroom is concerned they have modified all the equipment to handle that speed and require smaller bundle sizes. We can talk about this all you want, just go to the Pressline Services website and they will give you all the details
Deletehttp://www.presslineservices.com/3v-technology/
Delete2nd paragraph. folder rated 90k, yes, if press currently runs at 60k a 50% boost will take you to 90.
Zzzz, oh the press experts are having a factual tussle, and it is oh so very... zzzz. Uh sorry, but this kind of twaddle is exactly why you lost your role, Mamoo. And the dorks who are in there with arms a flailing... get a life, newspaper printing in the USA is on the outs no matter what you think.
DeleteLooks like newspapers aren't the only Gannett holdings to suffer job cuts. Obviously, fashion coordinators (and common sense) are out at TV stations. It must be a real struggle to keep the weather talent from wearing green . . .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130321glendale-home-repair-bank-video.html
PS - Kudos to Ch. 12 for only having a 15 second pre-roll spot. AND for getting the woman her money.
12:28 - Berliner papers have sections. Shreveport is a Berliner.
ReplyDeleteLafayette,Indiana has the first Berliner in the US. Can run 4 sections, due to limited press configuration. As well as Tabs. Top speed 60k papers per hour.
DeleteFree local magazine publishes a really decent article on the decline of state political news coverage.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tallahasseemagazine.com/March-April-2013/The-State-of-State-News/
Local Gannett editor whines about it in a blog, facebook, and e-mail, citing inaccuracies and expecting major corrections.
http://blogs.tallahassee.com/magazines-article-about-democrat-is-just-plain-wrong/
Corrections come through and basically they stand behind the article with one correction, Gannett Company instead of Gannett Corp. See Facebook comments below blog post.
I love this stuff.
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DeleteThere are links on Romenesko and elsewhere on this blog to this dust-up. Don't know of anyone who ever worked under that strongarm dictator of an editor who is anything other than unhappy.
DeleteAnd that's putting it nicely.
It gets more traction and I good headline!
DeleteDemocrat's Bob Gabordi: He's Punching Way Above His Weight Class
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/democrats-bob-gabordi-hes-fighting-way-above-his-weight-class
My favorite. "Gabordi has the distinction of being the first and only person who has ever trashed the competence or character of Kleindienst, Dunkelberger and Post, who have together served Florida readers well for well over a century. An apology would be in order, but nobody is holding his or her breath."
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Gannett-Reviews-E272.htm
ReplyDeleteNot to many glowing reviews about our leader, interesting stuff
Grapevine has it that Phoenix will be going to the 3 around folder on 2 of the 4 colorliners. People from Phoenix have visited Columbus and budget has been summitted. This is one of Dale C. big need to have items. Hence going after the pressmans manning!
ReplyDeleteIt will cost millions, and millions to buy the contracts of the pressman out..same as Cincy. Is it worth it in the long run. Cincy Press's were over 30 years old, not the case in Phoenix
Deletephoenix presses are 21 years old. you're right it will cost millions.
DeleteIt's snowing in Wisconsin today. Sure hope we do a story. Or three.
ReplyDeleteWe've put our best stringers on it.
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